Posts by Nathan Natas

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Footage from Recently Converted Kingdom Hall to a Mosque

by raymond frantz in

https://youtu.be/kjqwfeuhpji?si=6ahbituygdyiq3za.

when jehovah’s witnesses dedicate their kingdom halls, they often refer to the example of solomon dedicating the temple in jerusalem.

it’s a solemn moment.

Nathan Natas

I fail to understand why this seems to be an important issue for many.

The JWs teach that a "church" is NOT a building, but a collection of PEOPLE.

The Watchtower has never claimed that Kingdom Halls (or any other Watchtower property) was permanently special or "sacred."

When a new kingdom hall is opened, I believe (and I could be mistaken) that there is some kind of a dedication ceremony. When a Kingdom Hall is going to be sold, as far as I know there is no un-dedication ceremony.

I think some JWs have an irrational emotional attachment to the property that was, once upon a time, THEIR Kingdom Hall.

Get over it, you silly witnesses of Jah!

That's my opinion, and I'm sticking to it until I don't.

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Canada exploring changes to tax rules that exempt religious organizations

by Scully in

jw
friends

https://www.christianpost.com/news/evangelicals-oppose-removal-of-tax-status-in-canadian-proposal.html.

the proposed change will revoke charitable status of canadian churches who have an anti-abortion position, and will not give tax exemptions to organizations whose sole claim is to promote religion, which is the basic claim for all jw related entities in canada.

this will be interesting!.

Nathan Natas

Is Canada thinking of joining the EU?

That's like volunteering to be in thrall to your local gangster/loan-shark. "If I surrender to you in advance, will protect me?"

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The Greeks had a word for it, but the Watchtower didn't

by Nathan Natas in

i recall as though it was only 60 years ago, sitting in the kingdom hall on those horrible chairs, learning of the four forms of love: agape, philia, storge and eros.. the watchtower never mentioned pragma.. pragma: this is a committed, compassionate love that often grows as two partners continue to cherish and care for each other.

this type of love is associated with being together for a long time.

in some cases, the passion of eros can grow into pragma over time, this forging a lasting bond.. i think i know why; the watchtower isn't into committed, compassionate, cherishing and caring, are they?.

Nathan Natas

Hold the presses! Hold the presses!

There were two other linds of love the Greeks knew but the Greek scholars at The Watchtower didn't:

Ludus: This word is associated more with flirtation and casual infatuation with a potential partner. This type of love is meant to be fun and playful.

Philautia: While self-care seems like a modern concept, the ancient Greeks were well aware of its importance. In fact, it was so important, that they had an entire word that was devoted to describing the love and care for one’s self. If you’re a caregiver, self-care is extremely important not only for your own well-being but also for the well-being of those under your care.

Ah, you flirt! Don't touch me there!

https://youtu.be/0w-HpBPJC1I

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The Greeks had a word for it, but the Watchtower didn't

by Nathan Natas in

i recall as though it was only 60 years ago, sitting in the kingdom hall on those horrible chairs, learning of the four forms of love: agape, philia, storge and eros.. the watchtower never mentioned pragma.. pragma: this is a committed, compassionate love that often grows as two partners continue to cherish and care for each other.

this type of love is associated with being together for a long time.

in some cases, the passion of eros can grow into pragma over time, this forging a lasting bond.. i think i know why; the watchtower isn't into committed, compassionate, cherishing and caring, are they?.

Nathan Natas

I recall as though it was only 60 years ago, sitting in the Kingdom Hall on those horrible chairs, learning of the FOUR forms of love: Agape, Philia, Storge and Eros.

The Watchtower never mentioned Pragma.

Pragma: This is a committed, compassionate love that often grows as two partners continue to cherish and care for each other. This type of love is associated with being together for a long time. In some cases, the passion of eros can grow into pragma over time, this forging a lasting bond.

I think I know why; the Watchtower isn't into committed, compassionate, cherishing and caring, are they?

OH! I WAS 60 years ago!

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How are new Servants and Elders appointed?

by no-zombie in

now that we have the tick-a-box field service reporting method, how are brothers measured fit for an appointment as a ms or elder?

has there been clarification in any of the recent elders schools or in meetings with the co?.

Nathan Natas

It used to be by the good-ol-boy network disguised as the inscrutable workings of Jehovah's magic spirit, but now it's just the good-ol-boy network, lubricated with big green handshakes.

"We're Jehovah's Pragmatic Witnesses..."

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Canada exploring changes to tax rules that exempt religious organizations

by Scully in

jw
friends

https://www.christianpost.com/news/evangelicals-oppose-removal-of-tax-status-in-canadian-proposal.html.

the proposed change will revoke charitable status of canadian churches who have an anti-abortion position, and will not give tax exemptions to organizations whose sole claim is to promote religion, which is the basic claim for all jw related entities in canada.

this will be interesting!.

Nathan Natas

Canada favors the execution of its youngest citizens? How is being anti-abortion a threat to Canada?

Does Canada support eugenics, medically assisted suicide and euthanasia?

How did a death cult infiltrate Canada?

Will the Canadian wilderness be better off without Canadians?

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Jesus Christ Will Arrive Within The Next Four Minutes! (parody)

by Nathan Natas in

yes, you read that correctly!.

jesus h. christ will arrive within the next four minutes!

in fact, by the time you read this, he may have alreadt arrrived!.

Nathan Natas

Yes, you read that correctly!

JESUS H. CHRIST will arrive within the next four minutes! In fact, by the time you read this, he may have alreadt arrrived!

Where? Damned if I know!

I am an self-ordained student of the Holy Book. I checked, and I am NOT DELUSIONAL!

FOLLOW ME!

The voices in my head speak to me in tongues - I don't have the foggiest floggin' idea what exactly they are saying, but they seem to sing (sounds like "My Boyfriend's Back) and I'm pretty sure I would not be permitted to be incorrect on this.

I'm a scholar! Follow me! If you don't My Lord will KICK YOUR ASS and give you everlasting life in the fires of HELL!

I am not a crackpot!

(signed) StuckInTheSameOldLifeAndLie

PS - My boy Biff (short for Biffoon) agrees with me! He's my number two witness, we call him "Captain Kopros" for his skill at reading shit.

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Reddit thread - ‘Organization Finally Suggesting to Plan for Retirement’

by LongHairGal in

jw
friends

this information is supposed to be in the upcoming march wt.

(i don’t go on jw dot org).

it would sound like they are hinting at a change in thinking.. in my opinion, any such change would be yet another slap in the face to faithful pimis along with those other recent changes.. there are so many heartfelt responses on that thread and a lot of justified anger.. don’t know what to say except that i’m so glad i never listened to the religion all those years ago.

Nathan Natas

Liam offered his opinion, "Imagine how they feel when someone spurts out nonsense like; “YOU Need to save at least 5 MILLION DOLLARS FOR RETIREMENT."

Yes, such idiotic nonsense indeed! How much better it is to heed the advice of Liam, the Businessman/Financial Genius, who would advise,

"You can't do this! Don't even try."

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Reddit thread - ‘Organization Finally Suggesting to Plan for Retirement’

by LongHairGal in

jw
friends

this information is supposed to be in the upcoming march wt.

(i don’t go on jw dot org).

it would sound like they are hinting at a change in thinking.. in my opinion, any such change would be yet another slap in the face to faithful pimis along with those other recent changes.. there are so many heartfelt responses on that thread and a lot of justified anger.. don’t know what to say except that i’m so glad i never listened to the religion all those years ago.

Nathan Natas

Liam opined, "Get real man, only 0.1 Percent of American Retirees have managed that"

I expected this kind of reply. I have two comments:

1. Whether you believe you CAN or you believe you CAN'T, you're right. These are called self-limiting beliefs.

2. You told us, "I have a degree in Business and majored in finance." and yet your wealth is a result of an inheritance. GOOD FOR YOU, but I don't think I'd listen to any financial or business advice you might offer.

Hoser commented, "You don’t need 5 million to retire. At least not in Canada" Hoser, please give me a figure for what you think you DO need to retire in Canada. Canadian citizens need to have this information.

Of course ANYONE who lives long enough can reach "retirement age," but that isn't retirement. People who are completely dependent on a government or charitable institution for their daily bread are not independent. (I do not consider Social Security or pensions as charity. In both cases, they are thngs YOU paid for.

As a group, Jehovah's Witnesses are poor. They've been taught to under-achieve and to give what little they have to the Watchtower. They have been played for fools.

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Reddit thread - ‘Organization Finally Suggesting to Plan for Retirement’

by LongHairGal in

jw
friends

this information is supposed to be in the upcoming march wt.

(i don’t go on jw dot org).

it would sound like they are hinting at a change in thinking.. in my opinion, any such change would be yet another slap in the face to faithful pimis along with those other recent changes.. there are so many heartfelt responses on that thread and a lot of justified anger.. don’t know what to say except that i’m so glad i never listened to the religion all those years ago.

Nathan Natas

One thing that has irked me for more than half my 75 years is that while people talk about the importance of retirement planning, almost nobody will give you an answer to "How much do I need?"

So I'll offer an answer. If you are starting your retirement fund today, set a target of $5,000,000.00 (five million US dollars) as your goal, and be prepared mentally and emotionally to increase that number due to inflation.

Yes, it is a BIG number, but it can be done. Others have done it, you can too. It is a matter of setting priorities. The POWER of compound interest is amazing!

It is helpful to pay for the advice of an advisor with a good track record. Use caution.